12 shot dead at movie theater

[diecast]

Detroit.....depending on which theater you go into, some of the patrons are probably carrying a gun, probably illegally. Someone whips out a gun and starts shooting, chances are there will be shots fired back. They aren't going to care who gets caught in the crossfire.

I wasn't saying that's what they should do, or even what I would do, but being close to Toledo (nicknamed little Detroit) they have things similar happen, though not to this extent.

but even so - lets say every last person in this theater was armed.....even the 3 month old.....IMO, that was not going to be a deterrent to a person like this, first and foremost. secondly, the guy came in armor. so unless youre a deadeye and nail a headshot, im unsure of what most of the pistols people typically carry are going to do. you run the risk of hitting other people for the chance at delaying him while he reacts to getting nailed in the kevlar? maybe if everyone reacted accordingly, and was cognitive enough to grab their guns and fire on him en masse, but the chances of that are pretty nil too, not to mention the casualties from all the misses... i dont know if thats a great option. let alone the fact that he gassed people on the way in.

im just not seeing the reduced impact of having armed citizens would do here.

 

[Star Puffs]

So, is this asshat considered a terrorist then?

Terrorism is usual defined by violence with some sort of political motive and probably involves some sort of ideological grouping (even if lone individuals act of their own accord).

Distinguishing "terrorism" from random violence that terrorises is important, because you need to understand something in order to create a constructive response. That is not to say "terrorists" are any less sociopathic or evil, just be because they have articulate and possibly legitimate grievances.

 

[VASith]

Ok maybe naive is the wrong word. I agree things have changed but I also think that things aren't nearly as different as the news patents ect.. Lead us to believe too. I remember a friend wouldn't let there kid have those little skateboard ramps, when at the same age we were riding 10-15' half pipes, pools, and my 4' launch ramps but 1 1/2' ramps are too dangerous. Many reasons things have changed is parents are worried about every little thing. Those parents are the same kids who grew up with us and did all things we did.


And to say no kid porno is naive, there just wasn't an Internet to easily access it.

Half pipes are different than guns. Our world now is so much different. You get a bruise crashing on a pipe..you get a bruise riding your buddy in your handlebars and crash. You get shot now going to see a movie. It's pathetic.

 

[Valfar]

My brother calls me today telling me that this guy Jay he plays hockey with was currently dating Jessica Ghawi(aspiring sportscaster) who was one of the victims in this..horrible incident, i remember my brother telling me about her being with her boyfriend at the Eaton Center here in Toronto awhile back witnessing a shooting here as well.

geeezz

 

[devilof76]

Because he realized humanity is ____ed up. I don't blame him either.

Did you really just say that?

 

[VASith]

but even so - lets say every last person in this theater was armed.....even the 3 month old.....IMO, that was not going to be a deterrent to a person like this, first and foremost. secondly, the guy came in armor. so unless youre a deadeye and nail a headshot, im unsure of what most of the pistols people typically carry are going to do. you run the risk of hitting other people for the chance at delaying him while he reacts to getting nailed in the kevlar? maybe if everyone reacted accordingly, and was cognitive enough to grab their guns and fire on him en masse, but the chances of that are pretty nil too, not to mention the casualties from all the misses... i dont know if thats a great option. let alone the fact that he gassed people on the way in.

im just not seeing the reduced impact of having armed citizens would do here.

There would have been more casualties no doubt. You ask any cop and they don't want Internet Rambos shooting up a movie theatre. Whoever sold this ____ his guns hold have called police. Who do you need ak, shotgun, and two pistols. We are too scared to raise alarm..someone should have said something.

 

[devilof76]

Suppose he bought it all from different places?

Also, a metal detector would not have stopped him, as he brought it in through the back door.

 

[VASith]

Did you really just say that?

Yes he did. And just goes to prove my point. Give this freak a gun.. He feels sorry for the shooter. ____ me. I must either insane or sane.

 

[Voorhees27]

Terrorism is usual defined by violence with some sort of political motive and probably involves some sort of ideological grouping (even if lone individuals act of their own accord).

Distinguishing "terrorism" from random violence that terrorises is important, because you need to understand something in order to create a constructive response. That is not to say "terrorists" are any less sociopathic or evil, just be because they have articulate and possibly legitimate grievances.

Kind of a fine line though, don't you think? I mean do we really need to get technical about it? He terrorized innocent people with a senseless and cowardice act of violence. At least that's how I see it.

I just wish one day our governments would set "pride in the system" aside and make examples of these people. I really do. This news literally made me sad all day.

 

[VASith]

Suppose he bought it all from different places?

Also, a metal detector would not have stopped him, as he brought it in through the back door.

News are saying the guns were all bought from same shop about 4 months ago. 4 weapons plus ammo and grenades.

 

[devilof76]

Ok. How do you pick out which of your regular customers is the crazy one that needs police attention?

Yes he did. And just goes to prove my point. Give this freak a gun.. He feels sorry for the shooter. ____ me. I must either insane or sane.

Well, you can bet he hopes you don't have a gun.

 

[minivader]

but even so - lets say every last person in this theater was armed.....even the 3 month old.....IMO, that was not going to be a deterrent to a person like this, first and foremost. secondly, the guy came in armor. so unless youre a deadeye and nail a headshot, im unsure of what most of the pistols people typically carry are going to do. you run the risk of hitting other people for the chance at delaying him while he reacts to getting nailed in the kevlar? maybe if everyone reacted accordingly, and was cognitive enough to grab their guns and fire on him en masse, but the chances of that are pretty nil too, not to mention the casualties from all the misses... i dont know if thats a great option. let alone the fact that he gassed people on the way in.

im just not seeing the reduced impact of having armed citizens would do here.

I agree with this. And I like to add that if there are multiple people carrying guns and start shooting back, there is high chances that some or all of them would mistaken others as the shooter or the shooters accomplice and go on to shoot themselves.

 

[The Ween]

but even so - lets say every last person in this theater was armed.....even the 3 month old.....IMO, that was not going to be a deterrent to a person like this, first and foremost. secondly, the guy came in armor. so unless youre a deadeye and nail a headshot, im unsure of what most of the pistols people typically carry are going to do. you run the risk of hitting other people for the chance at delaying him while he reacts to getting nailed in the kevlar? maybe if everyone reacted accordingly, and was cognitive enough to grab their guns and fire on him en masse, but the chances of that are pretty nil too, not to mention the casualties from all the misses... i dont know if thats a great option. let alone the fact that he gassed people on the way in.

im just not seeing the reduced impact of having armed citizens would do here.

I'm not going to argue about it anymore. It's not even important. You're still missing the point and I don't want to try and explain it anymore. I guess you don't live anywhere where there are drive by shootings or revenge shootings often.

 

[VASith]

Ok. How do you pick out which of your regular customers is the crazy one that needs police attention?



Well, you can bet he hopes you don't have a gun.

That's why there should be rules in place maybe. 1 gun per month. I don't know. Anyone who buys an ak rifle plus 3 other guns close to Columbine shoud be red flagged. We need to start taking more responsibility as a nation. Not less.

 

[VASith]

Ok. How do you pick out which of your regular customers is the crazy one that needs police attention?



Well, you can bet he hopes you don't have a gun.

And I'd never own a gun. I have 2 Marshall's and 2 black water ops as friends 3 houses down. Plenty of guns on my street.

 

[The Ween]

News are saying the guns were all bought from same shop about 4 months ago. 4 weapons plus ammo and grenades.

CBS said two different places about a week or so apart.

 

[ebor]

It's interesting that ppl latch on to the 3 month old @ the midnight show. Like they asked for trouble bringing an infant to the movies at midnight.

LOL, my original comment was in NO way attempting to blame the parent's for the outcome of this event. I simply questioned the rationale of people bringing an infant to this show, especially because it was midnight, and it was a loud show. Others have pointed out that sleep-times, inability to get a sitter etc. could be the answer, fine, I can agree with that. But in principle I, as a parent would forego going to a show like this (yup a great sacrifice indeed) to allow others to enjoy a grown-up movie experience.

 

[VASith]

CBS said two different places about a week or so apart.

Watching local dc NBC. Bought legally..no background check.

 

[Superman]

My brother calls me today telling me that this guy Jay he plays hockey with was currently dating Jessica Ghawi(aspiring sportscaster) who was one of the victims in this..horrible incident, i remember my brother telling me about her being with her boyfriend at the Eaton Center here in Toronto awhile back witnessing a shooting here as well.

geeezz

Yeah, poor Jessie. She was a nice girl, and will be sorely missed. Very tragic.

 

[diecast]

I'm not going to argue about it anymore. It's not even important. You're still missing the point and I don't want to try and explain it anymore. I guess you don't live anywhere where there are drive by shootings or revenge shootings often.

yea, i guess im missing whatever it is youre trying to say.

it wouldnt have deterred it, it wouldnt have ended it quicker, it wouldnt have saved lives and would more likely COST lives.......so i guess i just dont get it.

and to compare this to a revenge or drive by shooting, well.........*one of these things is not like the other*